get on to the networks and until we actually stop them through some type of actions, whether they be law enforcement actions or actions government to government, some type of civil sanctions, et cetera, until that happens, this continues unfetered. >> very briefly, if you would, when he was cia director, leon panetta told me the one thing that kept him up at night were fears of a cyberattack. is this related at all to that? >> it is in that it really highlights the fragility of our infrastructure and the fact that nothing is really safe. what secretary panetta had said, mr. panetta had said regarding the infrastructure, is something we talked about for a long time both in and out of government, is the potential for adversaries to access electric power grid, water, sewer, transportation, communications, and look to have an impact on this country similar to the way they did by flying planes into buildings ten years ago, 11 years ago. there are adversaries who are looking to do that and this type of attack really just highlights the concern we should have about the fact that the infrastruct